Thank you for hard work on this subject, I certainly do not have the patience or charity to deal with sophists like Faulkner.
The issue of the firmament, and its extremely shoddy treatment by AiG, forced me to view them in a much more critical light. How one reconciles why God would describe the created order like this is up to the reader, but that it is described as such is manifestly obvious from the Scriptures, as well as the writings of the Hebrews and early Church.
Once one reads the fathers, you will find that they almost unanimously interpret the firmament as a literal structure enclosing the earth, supporting physical waters above, in which the stars have been placed. Those who do not hold this view are the outliers, not the other way around. Faulkner and AiG so severely misrepresent this history it borders on outright lies.
Here are some compilations of other patristic writers on this subject:
Thank you! I will check those out. And yes, sometimes I don’t have the patience or charity to deal with Faulkner’s sophistry. I continue because Christian brothers and sisters don’t understand that he is not presenting truth. I grow in strength and resolve with each installment because his arguments help me see just how weak the globe position is. I’m starting to think AIG and Co. are not merely “bordering” on outright lies. It’s alarming how subtly Satan creeps in.
Thank you for hard work on this subject, I certainly do not have the patience or charity to deal with sophists like Faulkner.
The issue of the firmament, and its extremely shoddy treatment by AiG, forced me to view them in a much more critical light. How one reconciles why God would describe the created order like this is up to the reader, but that it is described as such is manifestly obvious from the Scriptures, as well as the writings of the Hebrews and early Church.
Once one reads the fathers, you will find that they almost unanimously interpret the firmament as a literal structure enclosing the earth, supporting physical waters above, in which the stars have been placed. Those who do not hold this view are the outliers, not the other way around. Faulkner and AiG so severely misrepresent this history it borders on outright lies.
Here are some compilations of other patristic writers on this subject:
https://youtu.be/UtR_osxSilc?si=yUuwLJ5VPbU85Lyi
https://youtu.be/W5kNZnHejMA?si=IN9ns9HVREMqalus
Thank you! I will check those out. And yes, sometimes I don’t have the patience or charity to deal with Faulkner’s sophistry. I continue because Christian brothers and sisters don’t understand that he is not presenting truth. I grow in strength and resolve with each installment because his arguments help me see just how weak the globe position is. I’m starting to think AIG and Co. are not merely “bordering” on outright lies. It’s alarming how subtly Satan creeps in.