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Thank you for hard work on this subject, I certainly do not have the patience or charity to deal with sophists like Faulkner.

The issue of the firmament, and its extremely shoddy treatment by AiG, forced me to view them in a much more critical light. How one reconciles why God would describe the created order like this is up to the reader, but that it is described as such is manifestly obvious from the Scriptures, as well as the writings of the Hebrews and early Church.

Once one reads the fathers, you will find that they almost unanimously interpret the firmament as a literal structure enclosing the earth, supporting physical waters above, in which the stars have been placed. Those who do not hold this view are the outliers, not the other way around. Faulkner and AiG so severely misrepresent this history it borders on outright lies.

Here are some compilations of other patristic writers on this subject:

https://youtu.be/UtR_osxSilc?si=yUuwLJ5VPbU85Lyi

https://youtu.be/W5kNZnHejMA?si=IN9ns9HVREMqalus

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