Does Danny Faulkner Rewrite Flat Earth History from Page One?
Sloppy research, a typo, or a nugget of truth to search out?
This post is Part Three in my review of Danny Faulkner’s book Falling Flat. You can find the previous entries here:
Falling Flat by Danny Faulkner — A Cover-to-Cover Review: Straw-manning Flat Earth is not a good look for Faulkner and Answers in Genesis
To be more efficient and keep my reviews topic-oriented (for the most part), I've chosen not to review the entire chapter here. I found enough information on Page One of Chapter One (technically Page Seven) to write several essays.
I always seek to save readers’ time. Even so — my posts usually go longer than anticipated.
In this installment, I will explore a claim that Faulkner didn’t carefully investigate — or his fact-checking crew overlooked. Let’s look into that now. Hopefully, Faulkner will correct future editions of Falling Flat.
Who Started the Flat Earth Phenomenon?
On the first page of the first chapter, Why Write About the Flat Earth?, Faulkner writes, “Beginning around 2012, there has been a major resurgence in the interest in flat earth.”
“Why 2012?” I wrote in the side margin of my book.
Faulkner continues, “Much of this was started by Eric Dubay, who began posting on the Internet and published two books on the subject, The Flat-Earth Conspiracy and 200 Proofs the Earth Is Not a Spinning Ball.”
That’s interesting, I thought. When did Dubay write those books? A quick search revealed Dubay published the first title in 2014 and the second in 2018.
I don’t believe in coincidences or accidents. There must be a reason for naming 2012. Maybe Dubay was publishing YouTube videos in 2012, I thought. There had to be some reason Faulkner chose that date, and I wanted to get to the bottom of it.
What Is Significant about 2012 and Flat Earth?
With curiosity, I googled “Flat Earth 2012” — what I saw shocked me. Nothing came up about Eric Dubay — but I’ll share more about that later.
Instead, I found a series of random articles and exposures to the term “flat earth.” Some results had nothing to do with the concept of a Flat Earth; others tried to debunk or mock Flat Earth; at least one felt contrived, like the author didn’t want to use the term at all but added it as an incidental; and others talked about the Flat Earth Society (FES).
Let me share a few, along with pertinent quotes and some with commentary.
May 2, 2012, Clean Water Action, Coloradans welcome “Flat Earth Society” members of Congress: “The ‘Flat Earth Society’ members of Congress have fallen flat on doing what’s right - providing relief on gas prices and promoting real energy independence,” said Matt Garrington, co-director of the Checks and Balances Project.” Hmm. Fallen flat. That’s familiar.
May 20, 2012, Live Music Video Tokyo, The Flat Earth by Thomas Dolby: The original song was released in 1984 and remastered in 2009. Dolby performed it live in 2012. Here is a sampling of the lyrics: “Please remember...the Earth can be any shape you want it, any shape at all, dark and cold, or bright and warm, long or thin or small, but it's home and all I ever had, and maybe why for me the Earth is flat.” BTW — Dolby denies a Flat Earth but received an honorary membership in the FES in 2009. The Flat Earth by Dolby inspired the resurrection of the FES in 2004.1
June 14, 2012, Aerospace Research Center, Envisioning the Earth: Conceptions of this Planet from the Flat Earth to Gaia: “Of course, perceptions of a spherical Earth date back to Greek philosophy in the sixth century BCE, and Hellenistic astronomy established beyond serious doubt this planet's spherical shape. It was accepted by all those who were educated within Western Civilization by at least the medieval era.”
October 25, 2012, Washington Post, The flat-earth theory of job creation: The interesting thing about this article is that it has nothing to do with the Flat Earth at all. The term is only mentioned in the title and the conclusion: “There’s a flat-earth quality to the Times’ argument. If government seems to create jobs, it must. We need to move beyond this primitive view.”
October 29, 2012, NBC News, Are Flat-Earthers Being Serious?": “According to the Flat Earth Society's leadership, its ranks have grown by 200 people (mostly Americans and Britons) per year since 2009….Earth's gravity is an illusion, they say. Objects do not accelerate downward; instead, the disc of Earth accelerates upward at 32 feet per second squared (9.8 meters per second squared), driven up by a mysterious force called dark energy.”
November 25, 2012, Washington Post, The flat earth candidate: “Sen. Rubio (R-Fla.) responds to a question regarding how old the world is.” The video clip was missing, but a marker with a spinning flat earth globe took its place.
November 27, 2012, Skeptoid Podcast, The Flat Earth Theory has its origins not in alt-science but in Christian Fundamentalism: “The Flat Earth Society is well known, and widely assumed to be a group of people who lobby the idea that the Earth is not actually a globe. While this is described as an ancient, pre-scientific belief, it's increasingly common today to point out that very few ancient societies who had any meaningful science actually believed the Earth was flat.”
December 20, 2012, West Texas A&M University, Why did so many people believe the world is flat when it is obviously a sphere?: “Also, virtually nobody has ever believed the earth is flat. This is a myth according to historian Jeffrey Burton Russell, as explained in his book ‘Inventing the Flat Earth’.” Notably, Burton’s book was published in 1997 and digitized on August 5, 2008.
2012, Claremont Graduate University, “Flat Earth” by Clifford Eberly: “Media : pinecones, plaster gauze, paper mâche, epoxy, resin, steel brushes, wood.”
No doubt there was a push in 2012 for Flat Earth, but it appears to be coming from the mainstream media, the aerospace industry, universities, and the Flat Earth Society, something we will revisit. Again, why? I have my thoughts, which I will share at the end. And those thoughts have morphed as I’ve continued researching the modern-day history of Flat Earth.
Could Eric Dubay Have Started All This?
At this point in my research, I couldn’t determine from these articles who was '“wagging the dog.” Was Dubay the one who got the ball rolling, or was Faulkner deflecting?
Next, I searched “Eric Dubay 2012” and could find nothing to answer my question. However, I found an interesting article chronicling the trend of Flat Earth content on YouTube. Dubay was on the list, as was the 2012 date. Only, never did the two meet.
The article, written by John C. Paolillo, Associate Professor at Indiana University, referenced a Dubay YouTube video published in 2015. Due to censorship or another reason, the video ISS Hoax — the International Space Station Does Not Exist! was no longer accessible. 2
I know censorship is real. There was a strong possibility that Faulkner was correct about Dubay sharing YouTube content in 2012, starting the Flat Earth phenomenon that was showing up in mainstream news. However, I could find no evidence to support that claim. So, I did what most people would: I contacted Eric Dubay myself. I’d heard reports from others that he is responsive to messages.
I waited. And waited. At least a day. And became impatient. This time, I went to Dubay’s website, found the search feature, and typed in 2012.
Dubay’s article, The History of Flat Earth, was at the top of the list. So, I opened it, used the Command F feature on my MacBook, and saw one match for 2012.
I found my answer.
In the article, Dubay writes:
You can also see from this Google analytics chart that the Flat Earth keyword had not made any significant change in 2011 since the launch of Matt’s YouTube channel [Matt Boylan a.k.a. Math Powerland], nor in late 2012/early 2013 when Paul [Paul Michael Bales] claims to have gotten his start. The moment when the Flat Earth tides shifted and the exponential growth of the movement began was clearly around and after November 2014, the exact month when I exploded all of my flat Earth research onto the internet.
Dubay does take credit for starting the FE Internet phenomenon, just not in 2012.
Could the date be a typo on Faulkner’s part? An intentional nugget of truth for the savvy researcher? Or plain lazy research?
Considering the possibility it was a typo: As an editor, typos are not as easy to make on the first page. Yet, a dating error could be challenging to recognize. If it was an intentional nugget of truth, it made for some interesting bunny trails. If it was lazy research, well, that’s a problem. For his sake, I hope it is not a theme in Falling Flat.
Regardless, I have learned a few new things about the more recent (modern) history of Flat Earth. And the plot thickens.
BTW: Dubay finally responded to my message saying, “Hey, you can see the timeline of it here: How I Learned About Flat Earth. I published my first FE book and made my first FE videos in November 2014.”
Before we move on, let’s look at something interesting about 2013.
Obama and The Flat Earth Society
On June 25, 2013, Barrack Obama spoke out against climate change, likening deniers to members of the Flat Earth Society (FES).
You can find context for the clip at The Washington Post.
Here’s where things get interesting.
Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis, Danny Faulkner’s employer (since 2013), responded to Obama’s FES statement.
Ham writes, “We can, of course, observe the earth and know it is round and not flat. It’s also taught in the Bible, which tells us it is round—Isaiah 40:22. But climate change is very complex, involving many variables and unknowns with much disagreement among scientists.”
Is Ken Ham correct?
The observable reality is that the earth does not appear round at all. Instead, it appears horizontal. And Isaiah 40:22 speaks nothing of a globular earth. Round? Sure. Mathematics grants that a flat circle is also round, just not spherical.
There was a time I trusted Ken Ham as above reproach in his ministry at Answers in Genesis, and I hope that is the case. Yet, his defense of the globe and his alliance with Danny Faulkner opens him up to suspicion, which I believe is healthy since the Bible warns that there will be deceivers who creep into the church to turn people after destructive doctrines. The globe is a dangerous doctrine. And I will show in the next installment that Faulkner takes the opposite position. He maintains the Flat Earth doctrine is dangerous. Just remember that Ham promoted and falsely defended a heliocentric model before Faulkner came on board to debunk Flat Earth. Globular earth is Ham’s position to this day.
Whether Ham defends the globe out of ignorance or false motives, he must hold Danny Faulkner accountable for
Using straw men arguments;
Mocking Christians who believe the earth is flat;
Communicating through occult paraphernalia; and
Rewriting FE History, whether intentionally or by mistake.
Likewise, the Christian church must hold these men accountable and call them to repentance, with gentleness and humility.
Back to the alleged FE resurgence of 2012.
As I was digging into 2012, the modern-day history of FE providentially came up in another conversation. I love it when two topics collide.
Will Duffy Chimes in About Flat Earth History
Those following The Final Experiment (TFE) debacle will recognize Will Duffy by name. Those unfamiliar can read about TFE and Duffy here and here.
Recently, [Pastor] Will Duffy publicly claimed that Joe Hanvey, a Christian brother, lied about when he came to Flat Earth. [Of all things?]
Hanvey answered Duffy’s charges live on the TFE YouTube channel.
Note: I am not endorsing everything Hanvey says in this video. I agree with Duffy that there is a biblical case for lying to preserve life and obey other commandments in unusual circumstances. Here are three biblical examples:
David feigned madness to protect his life (1 Samuel 21:10-15);
The Midwives lied to Pharaoh about the Hebrew women, and God blessed them for it (Exodus 1:15-21); and
Rahab lied to the authorities to save the lives of the two spies, and God preserved her life because of it (Joshua 2).
Other considerations include using subterfuge during just wars, leaving your lights on to make the robbers think you are home, and keeping a present hidden from a spouse or loved one.
On the other hand: If Duffy is intentionally deceiving about TFE — even if he is trying to preserve his livelihood because he is under some threat — this is not comparing apples to apples. I hope he knows that. If Duffy is suppressing the truth of God’s creation, the wrath of God is against him. See Romans 1:18-20.
In the live conversation, Duffy refused to accept Hanvey’s testimony of when he came to Flat Earth.
Stay with me on this. It is pertinent.
Here’s what that dialogue looked like.
Duffy: “Could you tell everyone when you’re claiming you became a flat earther?”
Hanvey: “Roughly, sometime between I think 2009 and 2012. Somewhere in that timeframe. I don’t remember exactly….I’ve said that consistently. So go ahead and try to prove me wrong.”
Duffy: “Okay. Cool. So, I know this doesn’t matter to you, but for what’s it’s worth, if what you’re saying is true, that makes you the first modern-day flat earther in the world.”
Hanvey: “No it doesn’t. That’s such a false statement. Dude, there are so many books on Flat Earth…just go look.”
Duffy: “So modern day, what I’m talking about is alive today. There is no one alive today on this planet that claims to be a flat earther that far back. So you would literally be the first.”
Hanvey: “You’re making false claims.”
Duffy: “Okay, who do you know that was as flat earther—”
Hanvey: “See. I’m not going to get into this with you. You’re going to prove what you said you’re going to prove, or I’m done.”
Hanvey stuck to his word and left the conversation early, allowing Duffy to disparage Hanvey without defense. Duffy made additional fallacious claims, which I sat through for another 30+ grueling minutes. I’d love to speak to each point, but I’m focusing on Falling Flat and the rewriting of Flat Earth history, which is why I bring this up at all. And Duffy makes a false claim about the beginning of “modern day” Flat Earth.
“There is no one alive today on this planet that claims to be a flat earther that far back.” — Will Duffy
Duffy Rewrites Flat Earth History?
As mentioned, I had already been digging into the True History of Flat Earth thanks to Falling Flat. So, I immediately recognized that Duffy was either misinformed or lying when he made the above claim. After Hanvey left the conversation, Duffy said, “Hearing Joe more and more, listening to him on shows more and more, and hearing these claims that he’s been a flat earther back to 2009, 2010, 2011, I just was struggling when I got this email from” someone who said Joe was lying about when he came to Flat Earth.
Duffy never named Hanvey’s accuser. Hanvey testified the claim was false, saying that whoever sent that email did not know him well enough to make that claim.
Duffy said, “I had to make a decision, and the decision I made was that he [Hanvey] wasn’t being honest.”
I’m curious. Why did Duffy have to make that decision public? I suspect it was because Hanvey publicly talked about a Flat Earth model that could work with a 24-hour sun in Antarctica, and Duffy wanted to discredit him publicly.
As a reminder, Will Duffy is a pastor. God will hold him to a higher account. See James 3:1. He should not call a Christian brother a liar based on an anonymous tip, nor feel the need to decide to defame his character. All Duffy needs to do is stick with the truth. It’s that simple. Yet, it’s not that simple. It is impossible to uphold a false narrative with the truth.
Thankfully, we don’t need to know whether or not Hanvey is lying or not to sort this all out. I would trust Hanvey over Duffy any day. Hanvey demonstrates genuine humility and has a credible profession of faith. Duffy, on the other hand, admitted to lying about TFE in the first place. Not a good place to start. Read about that here.
I also have proof that Duffy is rewriting FE history and making fallacious and unsubstantiated claims. At best, his research is sloppy. At worst, he is deceiving.
Here is Duffy’s claim that we will consider in a bit: “So modern day, what I’m talking about is alive today. There is no one alive today on this planet that claims to be a flat earther that far back. So you would literally be the first.”
Logically speaking, there is NO WAY Duffy can know this. It stands fallacious and irresponsible from the start as an "argument from omniscience" fallacy.
Yet, I have definitive proof that Duffy is wrong and is rewriting FE History.
What a sad testimony that a Pastor would slander the character of a brother-in-Christ in the process.
If you are on the fence about The Final Experiment and the 24-hour sun, tending to listen to Will Duffy because he is a smooth salesman with a slick smile, this fact alone should cause you to abandon him: He slandered a brother.
“Let not a slanderer be established in the earth; Let evil hunt the violent man to overthrow him” (Psalm 140:11). And I say amen. Please note, lest you think I am slandering Duffy, this verse is a two-edged sword: then let the evil hunt me down and overthrow me if I am slandering Duffy.
Pray for Duffy to repent before evil hunts him down and overthrows him. God will not be mocked.
Let’s look at the evidence that proves Duffy’s claim is false.
What Is Special About 2013?
While Faulkner maintains that 2012 was the year Flat Earth took off, Duffy claims it was 2013. And because of that, he insinuates that it would be impossible for Joe Hanvey to have come to Flat Earth before that date. If so, Hanvey would be the first modern-day flat earther ever.
Duffy says:
Again, as I said, [if Hanvey’s dates are true] it would make him the first, modern-day, flat earther. It’s a waste of time, but I have spent time on this. And I’ve utilized resources who have spent more time than me trying to figure out who actually is the first flat earther and I can only trace Flat Earth back, modern-day Flat Earth to the year 2013. I have no evidence whatsoever that anybody was before 2013….so if he was the first flat earther back then, he is literally the first…modern day flat earther that we have.
I will give Duffy credit (and hold him accountable) for his following words. “I am willing to admit I could be wrong [about Hanvey lying]. I am believing this email because the email has a flavor of realism to it.”
Again, though, Duffy appeals to needing to make a decision about defaming Hanvey based on an email. He says, “I made the decision that the email was accurate and that Joe Hanvey was not being forthright about how long he’d been a flat earther.”
According to Duffy, he made that decision based on two pieces of evidence:
An email from someone who did not want to be named, and
His own EXTENSIVE research into the modern history of Flat Earth.
If Hanvey wasn’t lying and came to Flat Earth before 2013 — according to Duffy — then he was the first MODERN flat-earther on the planet. Even if he was the first, where’s the crime in that?
As a pastor, Duffy was wrong to defame a man’s character on a hunch. This defamation violates the sixth commandment (you shall not murder — which includes defaming a person’s character). It also violates the eighth commandment (stealing a man’s reputation).
Friends, Will Duffy is not all-knowing. Nor has he spoken to everyone in the FE Community to discover if his claim is true. Plus, his research efforts have produced far different results than mine.
I will provide two lines of reasoning to debunk Duffy’s claim that Hanvey must be the first modern-day flat earther if his dates are correct. If Duffy is a man of God, as he maintains, he will publicly apologize to Hanvey for defaming his character, calling him a liar, and rewriting FE History.
Dreille’s Testimony of Coming to Flat Earth over 20 Years Ago
I started studying Flat Earth toward the end of 2022, embracing it in early 2023, and speaking out publicly as early as May 2023.
On October 22, 2023, my friend Dreille,3 who had been reading my Facebook posts, sent me this message:
Wait, what? Was Duffy wrong about Hanvey? My friend predates him by 20-plus years. Was Dreille the first modern-day flat earther? No. Someone else introduced Biblical Cosmology to Dreille. That person must have been the first flat earther ever. Or else, Duffy is speaking about things he has no knowledge of.
For full disclosure, it was a journey for Dreille, who came to understand geo-centricity in 1992. Later, around 2006 — my friend began investigating Flat Earth. By 2010, Dreille accepted the earth was flat.
Dreille writes, “And since then experienced ridicule, pity, but found kindred spirits.” I am one of the kindred spirits among others. Dreille reached out to me at a critical time. A former pastor told me that I was about to apostatize for believing in the Flat Earth and the biblical firmament.
This pastor publicly asked me where I would ever find a pastor to sit under. My new Flat Earth friend reminded me, “The Lord is your shepherd.” Since then, I’m also thankful to have found a Flat Earth-friendly pastor.
Dreille was the same friend who produced this satire video and gave it to me to publish. David Weiss even featured it on his FE Clock.
Dreille’s testimony helped me to know immediately that Duffy was blowing smoke with his statement about Joe Hanvey being the first modern-day flat earther.
I will grant that Duffy may not have had a firsthand witness as I had. But he did have the Internet.
I’ve already posted testimony that people were talking about Flat Earth in 2012. You can search almost any year before 2012 and find information on the Flat Earth as well. Use your favorite search engine, pick a modern year, and type that year and Flat Earth to see the Internet coverage. It is irresponsible for Pastor Duffy to claim that no one was talking about Flat Earth before 2013 — which leads us to another critical topic: The Flat Earth Society.
Short History of the Flat Earth Society
Modern-day flat earthers are trained to say: “Not like the Flat Earth Society. That’s a shill organization to make Flat Earth look stupid.” I have said it myself.
A cursory investigation shows the Flat Earth Society (FES) has been active for many years. To my amazement, I discovered the original FES was a successor to the Universal Zetetic Society,4 which was founded after the death of Samuel Rowbotham to carry on his work.5
Rowbotham, aka Parallax, authored Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe! an Experimental Inquiry Into the True Figure of the Earth Proving it a Plane, Without Axial or Orbital Motion.
The real reason for the resurgence of modern-day Flat Earth was Rowbotham’s seminal work (and the Bible). Flat Earth was never dead. Instead, it was hijacked by the modern-day Flat Earth Society.
We’ve been told that the primary reason the FES turns people away from Flat Earth is because it presents FE as a disc floating through space where we can fall off the edge. Likewise, their theory of Universal Acceleration, where “the Earth and the observable universe are accelerating 'upward' at a constant rate of 9.8m/s^2”6 is laughable.
Do either of those sound like something Rowbotham would teach? Of course not.
Charles Kenneth Johnson was president of the International Flat Earth Society from 1972 until his death in 2001. He upheld a traditional and biblical Flat Earth, including fake space, geocentricity, water as level, the celestials orbit inside the solid firmament, the moon has its own light, we are not floating through space, there is an ice wall, etc. He also rejected the concept of Universal Acceleration.
The International Flat Earth Society was driven by a quarterly newsletter called Flat Earth News with paid memberships.
Here are a few snippets from a July 4, 1976, issue that prove the original Flat Earth Society taught the same truths as modern-day flat earthers and actively shared the Flat Earth message.
Here’s the cover from the July 4, 1976, issue of Flat Earth News.
The front cover article in larger print shows Flat Earth News calling out Fake Space. Here's a nugget I don't remember hearing before: Johnson claimed Arthur Clark wrote, directed, and narrated the moon landing — and he knew that the earth was flat. Maybe the Stanley Kubrick angle is a misdirection?
Here, Flat Earth News documents Rome’s rejection of the heliocentric model in favor of geocentrism.
Below, Flat Earth News talks about the nature of fluids to remain level, citing the Bedford Level wager.
Below, Flat Earth News reports that the International Flat Earth Society was invited and scheduled to speak about Flat Earth at the University of Massachusetts Amherst in connection with the “World Tomorrow Fair.”
While I don't agree with everything Johnson advocates in his newsletter, he presented the same biblical Flat Earth as modern-day flat earthers. You can download the full newsletter here:
You can find additional Flat Earth News publications here.
Although Johnson didn't take his research to the Internet, he still actively promoted Biblical Cosmology until his death in 2001.
According to Charles K. Johnson, the membership of the group rose to 3,500 under his leadership but began to decline after a fire at his house in 1997 which destroyed all of the records and contacts of the society's members. Johnson's wife, who helped manage the membership database, died shortly thereafter. Johnson himself died on 19 March 2001. 7
“Until his dying day, Johnson claimed the fire to be the result of arson by a NASA agent he had seen snooping around.” 8
After Johnson’s death, the International FES went dormant until Daniel Shenton took over the franchise in 2004. Shenton took notes from the Flat Earth Society of Canada, a rival to Johnson’s International Society. Shenton invented or accepted mockable material to make FE seem like a farce, at which he (temporarily) succeeded.
So, how did my friend Dreille come to Flat Earth? The Bible was the primary testator. Yet, Dreille’s mentor, who is still alive today [take note, Will Duffy], was influenced by the traditional teachings of the International Flat Earth Society, which was in turn influenced by Samuel Rowbotham.
A Note to Readers: If you have Duffy’s ear [I have tried contacting him myself, but he refused to take the time to examine my claims] — please ask him to issue a public apology to Joe Hanvey.
What to Make of All This?
At first, I thought the dating scandal was a psyop. Now, I see mainstream Christendom is trying to rewrite Flat Earth History. But WHY lie about it? If the Flat Earth is so obviously wrong, why try so desperately to hide its true history in the United States?
I don't know why Faulkner credited Dubay in 2012 or Duffy assigned 2013 as the beginning of modern flat-earth. No doubt, the FE Internet sensation did occur around those times. Duffy has the more egregious error by making false claims and slandering a brother in the process. I hope he repents.
Faulkner is closer to the truth with his statement: “Beginning around 2012, there has been a major resurgence in interest in the flat earth. Much of this was started by Eric Dubay….”
A more accurate statement would be: “Around 2014, there has been a major resurgence in interest in the flat earth. Much of this was started by Eric Dubay….”
I hope to see Faulkner correct his error in upcoming reprints of Falling Flat.
One theme that rises to the surface is the layering of lies upon lies. It seems Satan will do anything to keep mainstream Christians from accepting and believing in Biblical Cosmology.
Consider those “Christians” who promote the globe: Ken Ham, Danny Faulkner, Will Duffy, Ray Comfort, Justin Peters, and others I won’t name.
Duffy, by claiming to have so thoroughly researched this topic, should have discovered that the International Flat Earth Society is “modern-day” Flat Earth — and should not have been so arrogant to assume the impossibility of someone coming to Flat Earth aside from YouTube.
Faulkner, presenting himself as a FE expert, should have done better research, checking Dubay’s own history before making a claim.
May the Christian community hold these men accountable.
God will.
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I mentioned Dreille, here:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_flat_Earth_beliefs#
https://wiki.tfes.org/Universal_Zetetic_Society
https://wiki.tfes.org/Universal_Acceleration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_flat_Earth_beliefs#Flat_Earth_Society
https://ericdubay.wordpress.com/2018/07/10/the-history-of-flat-earth/
Thanks for this excellent work, I have several thoughts.
I finally started diving into this book out of curiosity and I can assure you, it does not get better from here. Faulkner will dishonestly continue to employ fallacious rhetoric and strawmen to debunk positions no Christian holds to. He has attested to being in FE chat rooms and conversing with proponents of our system for the better part of the last decade, so his continual misrepresentations of our position (like the cover of his book) can not simply be chalked up to ignorance. He is either lying about being an expert, or lying about what we believe.
The desire to rewrite the history of the movement is twofold. One is to deride it as a modern doctrine/the invention of New Agers and pagans. If no one taught this until Dubay in 2012/2013/2014 (who is a New Ager), then the odds of it being the genuine intent of the Biblical authors is basically nil. From what I’ve come across, this appears to be the primary line of attack against the belief in Enclosed Cosmology. This is more often than not tied into Obama’s 2013 statement and the second point, that this modern belief is an intel psy-op to discredit Christianity.
The first point is demonstrably false from even a cursory reading of Second Temple era literature, or the pre and post-Nicean Church fathers on creation. As you also noted, there is a clear line of continuity from Rowbotham to modern Enclosed Cosmology proponents. Even granting them that this is a fringe belief in Christianity (which I do not), Christians have consistently affirmed the belief in a literal firmament enclosing the Earth for millennia. Whether they are correct or not is another matter, but it certainly wasn’t invented by Dubay.
Ken ham is a big disappointment. Sure his creation ministry is solid on defending a young earth, as evident from scripture. But this same scripture never depicts a globe or anything close. We see the word “ball” used by Isaiah but not for describing the shape of anything. Circle is the term we get from scripture and Ken Ham has too much pride (as do all pastors and teachers) to renege on their understanding of biblical cosmology. I’ve noticed during my time of researching FE that those with large audiences tend to sway towards popular opinion and those without an audience or a small ministry are more open minded. Zen Garcia and the late Rob Skiba helped me understand FE immensely.
Ray McBerry out of Georgia has a small church and did an excellent 8-part presentation (seen also on YouTube) about the firmament and biblical cosmology. He was very humble and described how he came to FE understanding. Also, Using this term BC over FE kept the censorship away from his vids. Bitchute has them too if you want to avoid commieTube, I mean YT.
BY FAR the best book on BC and the lies told by this satanic world can be found in Edward Hendrie’s classic “Greatest Lie on Earth”. Terra Firma, Zetetic cosmogony and Zetetic Astronomy are also must reads. Dubay’s 100 and 200 proofs of FE are great to help the seeker gain insight into the truth. But def stay far from Dubay’s beliefs apart from his empirical data, as you know.
Thanks again for your great research and exposure on this fascinating topic!