Thanks for this excellent work, I have several thoughts.
I finally started diving into this book out of curiosity and I can assure you, it does not get better from here. Faulkner will dishonestly continue to employ fallacious rhetoric and strawmen to debunk positions no Christian holds to. He has attested to being in FE chat rooms and conversing with proponents of our system for the better part of the last decade, so his continual misrepresentations of our position (like the cover of his book) can not simply be chalked up to ignorance. He is either lying about being an expert, or lying about what we believe.
The desire to rewrite the history of the movement is twofold. One is to deride it as a modern doctrine/the invention of New Agers and pagans. If no one taught this until Dubay in 2012/2013/2014 (who is a New Ager), then the odds of it being the genuine intent of the Biblical authors is basically nil. From what I’ve come across, this appears to be the primary line of attack against the belief in Enclosed Cosmology. This is more often than not tied into Obama’s 2013 statement and the second point, that this modern belief is an intel psy-op to discredit Christianity.
The first point is demonstrably false from even a cursory reading of Second Temple era literature, or the pre and post-Nicean Church fathers on creation. As you also noted, there is a clear line of continuity from Rowbotham to modern Enclosed Cosmology proponents. Even granting them that this is a fringe belief in Christianity (which I do not), Christians have consistently affirmed the belief in a literal firmament enclosing the Earth for millennia. Whether they are correct or not is another matter, but it certainly wasn’t invented by Dubay.
Thanks, as always, for your encouragement. It saddens me that Faulkner's deception is accepted and acceptable in mainstream Christianity. I do agree that he must be lying about something. May God expose him without uprooting the babiest believer.
Love the concept of Enclosed Cosmology. And I agree with your commentary. It is interesting that even Dubay relies heavily upon Rowbotham. And also sad that he is leading people down the New Age path. He started IFERS, which he claims is the revival of the International Flat Earth (research) Society. Yet, it is NOT — because the original organization was biblical, not New Age.
May God raise up more and more vocal Christians who are willing to lose their reputations to stand for Christ's creation.
Admittedly there are not too many verses on this subject, but the few that do represent the stars as moving. Judges 5:20 speaks of "the stars in their courses.” In Job 38:31-33, God rhetorically asks if Job can control the movements of constellations like Pleiades and Orion, further implying the stars and constellations move within a set order.
Ken ham is a big disappointment. Sure his creation ministry is solid on defending a young earth, as evident from scripture. But this same scripture never depicts a globe or anything close. We see the word “ball” used by Isaiah but not for describing the shape of anything. Circle is the term we get from scripture and Ken Ham has too much pride (as do all pastors and teachers) to renege on their understanding of biblical cosmology. I’ve noticed during my time of researching FE that those with large audiences tend to sway towards popular opinion and those without an audience or a small ministry are more open minded. Zen Garcia and the late Rob Skiba helped me understand FE immensely.
Ray McBerry out of Georgia has a small church and did an excellent 8-part presentation (seen also on YouTube) about the firmament and biblical cosmology. He was very humble and described how he came to FE understanding. Also, Using this term BC over FE kept the censorship away from his vids. Bitchute has them too if you want to avoid commieTube, I mean YT.
BY FAR the best book on BC and the lies told by this satanic world can be found in Edward Hendrie’s classic “Greatest Lie on Earth”. Terra Firma, Zetetic cosmogony and Zetetic Astronomy are also must reads. Dubay’s 100 and 200 proofs of FE are great to help the seeker gain insight into the truth. But def stay far from Dubay’s beliefs apart from his empirical data, as you know.
Thanks again for your great research and exposure on this fascinating topic!
Ray McBerry was instrumental in helping me embrace what I already knew but was afraid to accept. After watching his series, I could no longer sit on the fence.
Second half is mostly exposing the cabal and its Jewish ties. But that book was my first exposure to that aspect. Terra Firma is also very good and written in late 1800’s before the powers that be were censoring and thwarting truth
Thanks for this excellent work, I have several thoughts.
I finally started diving into this book out of curiosity and I can assure you, it does not get better from here. Faulkner will dishonestly continue to employ fallacious rhetoric and strawmen to debunk positions no Christian holds to. He has attested to being in FE chat rooms and conversing with proponents of our system for the better part of the last decade, so his continual misrepresentations of our position (like the cover of his book) can not simply be chalked up to ignorance. He is either lying about being an expert, or lying about what we believe.
The desire to rewrite the history of the movement is twofold. One is to deride it as a modern doctrine/the invention of New Agers and pagans. If no one taught this until Dubay in 2012/2013/2014 (who is a New Ager), then the odds of it being the genuine intent of the Biblical authors is basically nil. From what I’ve come across, this appears to be the primary line of attack against the belief in Enclosed Cosmology. This is more often than not tied into Obama’s 2013 statement and the second point, that this modern belief is an intel psy-op to discredit Christianity.
The first point is demonstrably false from even a cursory reading of Second Temple era literature, or the pre and post-Nicean Church fathers on creation. As you also noted, there is a clear line of continuity from Rowbotham to modern Enclosed Cosmology proponents. Even granting them that this is a fringe belief in Christianity (which I do not), Christians have consistently affirmed the belief in a literal firmament enclosing the Earth for millennia. Whether they are correct or not is another matter, but it certainly wasn’t invented by Dubay.
Thanks, as always, for your encouragement. It saddens me that Faulkner's deception is accepted and acceptable in mainstream Christianity. I do agree that he must be lying about something. May God expose him without uprooting the babiest believer.
Love the concept of Enclosed Cosmology. And I agree with your commentary. It is interesting that even Dubay relies heavily upon Rowbotham. And also sad that he is leading people down the New Age path. He started IFERS, which he claims is the revival of the International Flat Earth (research) Society. Yet, it is NOT — because the original organization was biblical, not New Age.
May God raise up more and more vocal Christians who are willing to lose their reputations to stand for Christ's creation.
Hey Scipio, I have a follow up question. I’m your opinion, does the solid firmament move? Or do the stars move inside or under the stable firmament?
Admittedly there are not too many verses on this subject, but the few that do represent the stars as moving. Judges 5:20 speaks of "the stars in their courses.” In Job 38:31-33, God rhetorically asks if Job can control the movements of constellations like Pleiades and Orion, further implying the stars and constellations move within a set order.
Ken ham is a big disappointment. Sure his creation ministry is solid on defending a young earth, as evident from scripture. But this same scripture never depicts a globe or anything close. We see the word “ball” used by Isaiah but not for describing the shape of anything. Circle is the term we get from scripture and Ken Ham has too much pride (as do all pastors and teachers) to renege on their understanding of biblical cosmology. I’ve noticed during my time of researching FE that those with large audiences tend to sway towards popular opinion and those without an audience or a small ministry are more open minded. Zen Garcia and the late Rob Skiba helped me understand FE immensely.
Ray McBerry out of Georgia has a small church and did an excellent 8-part presentation (seen also on YouTube) about the firmament and biblical cosmology. He was very humble and described how he came to FE understanding. Also, Using this term BC over FE kept the censorship away from his vids. Bitchute has them too if you want to avoid commieTube, I mean YT.
BY FAR the best book on BC and the lies told by this satanic world can be found in Edward Hendrie’s classic “Greatest Lie on Earth”. Terra Firma, Zetetic cosmogony and Zetetic Astronomy are also must reads. Dubay’s 100 and 200 proofs of FE are great to help the seeker gain insight into the truth. But def stay far from Dubay’s beliefs apart from his empirical data, as you know.
Thanks again for your great research and exposure on this fascinating topic!
Ray McBerry was instrumental in helping me embrace what I already knew but was afraid to accept. After watching his series, I could no longer sit on the fence.
Have you read Edward Hendrie’s book?
I’m about halfway through. Been there a long time. I also use it for reference. I need to commit to finishing it.
Second half is mostly exposing the cabal and its Jewish ties. But that book was my first exposure to that aspect. Terra Firma is also very good and written in late 1800’s before the powers that be were censoring and thwarting truth